August 9th, 2011
|03:18 pm - Up yer junta|
The Guardian has a poll: should there be a curfew tonight? (to help 'crutail' the riots, oh Guardian, never change). I think not. And tomorrow I'm definitely going out for the evening, and any other evening I feel like it. Surprisingly nearly two thirds of respondents say yes. Yes! To each one of us being under house arrest after dark. And what do they suggest the penalty should be for stepping outside of your front door?
And the number of people saying the Tories should put the army on the streets! Just like they did in Northern Ireland in the late sixties. Yeah, that went well, barely any repercussions. Well, only for a few decades.
ETA: H sent home three hours early, and he says the centre of Birmingham was being closed down as he left.
Must be the first time the Prime Minister has been more liberal than the Guardian since at least 1997, more likely 1979.
The Guardian aren't calling for a curfew are they? The Tories are.
And putting troops on the street might be liberal to some but it ain't to me.
It was really just a cheap shot, but seriously, the Prime Minister has said there will be a lot more cops on the street, not soldiers, and has said nothing about a curfew.
The only elected politician I've seen calling for deployment of troops has been UKIP's Nigel Farage, and the first I've heard of anyone suggesting a curfew was when you mentioned the poll in the Guardian. Mind you, I might well have missed something.
Tim Godwin has called for a curfew. Patrick Mercer MP has called for the use of water cannon. Steve Cavanagh has said that plastic bullets will be fired at people. Of course 'liberal' Dave will reluctantly capitulate to the people's will. No doubt holding a pocket handkerchief before his streaming eyes. And he will be called enlightened and liberal by his supporters.
|Date:||August 9th, 2011 02:51 pm (UTC)|| |
There was a guy on Radio 4's Today programme who I can't believe was a member of the Coalition government: I assume he was a random loony. He was saying things like "I wouldn't call water cannons and rubber bullets weapons, more like tools," and "we shouldn't mollycoddle Englishmen, after all, we don't mollycoddle Irishmen!" Absolutely barking.
It is interesting that the coalition supporters are much less guarded than the coalition MPs in callign for blood on the streets.
|Date:||August 9th, 2011 05:58 pm (UTC)|| |
It was the last ten minutes here
. The speaker was Patrick Mercer, the Conservative MP for Newark you mentioned above, so not a member of the government, but at least a backbencher in the House.
I wasn't trying to make a party political point at all, in this post, though I got sucked in. I suppose I was reacting to the vox pops I've been hearing on the radio, reading in the Guardian comments section. How foolish to think putting the army on the streets of London might be a good idea. People are literally saying 'shoot them dead'. Madness.
If I were a shopworker, or still lived in a flat over a shop, I might say yes.
I think it would be a dreadful thing. Make us stay indoors at night? For how long?
(ETA thanks for your card - that is a big part of why I am pissed off - I want to go out tomorrow)
Edited at 2011-08-09 06:16 pm (UTC)
It's easy for me to say I'll go where I like - I've always laughed at people who tell me I'm brave (meaning foolhardy) to walk around central Manchester at night - but I don't have to go there. I'm not on the front line, with my home and living at stake. I probably don't want a curfew, however short, but I can understand that some of those people do.
The only thing I have to worry about is whether the Peterloo commemorations on Sunday will be affected. I can see the police being jumpy even about a peaceful, historically-orientated midday rally.
Two police cars have just driven past with sirens wailing. I wouldn't normally notice that. Three now.
Edited at 2011-08-09 06:20 pm (UTC)
A voluntary curfew akin to a severe weather warning (stay off the roads unless you have to etc) may have some merits right now. Fire engines/police cars being held up by traffic congestion, crowds of by-standers etc. is a problem.
A curfew under threat of arrest though, no thanks!
I guess in areas where there are problems people will treat it like bad weather and act accordingly. As I say my fella came home early today, everything was shutting down in Birmingham. Cov is super quiet, not to say dull, which suits me fine.
|Date:||August 9th, 2011 06:37 pm (UTC)|| |
I passed through New Street on the way home, and it looked just like New Street normally does. Although the shops were closing, but it was 18.30, so maybe that's when they shut? *googles* Nah, they usually shut at 22.00.
perhaps he just bunked off work early then :-) 'Oh, terrible riots dear, had to come home and watch Pointless tsk'
I'm earwormed by Ghost Town at the moment, and everything that leads up to somewhere being a ghost town.
As for the respondents to the Guardian poll, I'm assuming it's the usual commenters, which makes the response less surprising.
Ghost town was Coventry of course, and we seem so far to have escaped it. Not sure why, because the West Midlands in general has been quite badly affected.