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01:49 pm - Tottenham Riots
matgb has an interesting post on last night's Tottenham riots, from a nearby location. Of course I don't agree about the solution but worth a read. In comments hano adds "What *isn't* being reported right now, is that the rioting spread west to Wood Green where the shopping centre and the high st have been systematically looted."

Here is the Guardian report. As usual, the right-wing comments which follow are a window onto another world. An ignorant, self-satisfied world.

ETA - I have to laugh at Nick Cohen's article today in the Observer: despite the austerity programme there will be No Riots in the UK. Oopsie.

The sad thing he is right about the economic mess that the UK is sliding into. But he is wrong to think that this slide will be unaccompanied by protest.
So complete has been the capture of the coalition by the moneyed interest that Osborne says in all seriousness that the one fiscal measure he simply must have at any price is not the relief of poverty or an easing of the burden on middle England, but a tax cut for the wealthiest 1% of earners. These arrant insults ought to push the most mild-mannered people into revolt. Yet in Britain they provoke only students to riot. The wider public remains resigned rather than enraged; indifferent rather than incandescent

Not for much longer, Nick. Not for much longer.

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From:matildabj
Date:August 7th, 2011 01:03 pm (UTC)
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There's a video shot in the early hours of the morning of the looting in Wood Green. This is where I used to live until a year ago.

http://youtu.be/mAII_KuXfsE

The video follows the route I would have taken on a Sunday morning to walk to Sainsbury's (@ 2.23 on the video). The Big Green Bookshop have also posted some pictures of the aftermath in Wood Green on their Twitter feed http://twitter.com/#!/Biggreenbooks.

It's unbelievable.

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From:communicator
Date:August 7th, 2011 01:09 pm (UTC)
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How interesting. I see at 1:48 the young people are queuing up in a fairly orderly way to loot that shop called J-d.
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From:matildabj
Date:August 7th, 2011 01:19 pm (UTC)
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Yes, JD sports and HMV seem to be taking the brunt of it. Music and trainers.
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From:hano
Date:August 7th, 2011 01:25 pm (UTC)
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Yeah I saw that. How surreal. There's a metaphor in there somewhere I haven't yet worked out what :)
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From:hano
Date:August 7th, 2011 01:40 pm (UTC)
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Also, I'm very relieved that the Big Green Bookshop is ok, The guys that run it are brilliant, I'd be in pieces if they'd been harmed.
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From:matildabj
Date:August 7th, 2011 03:15 pm (UTC)
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Yes. It's an oasis of sanity even in calmer times!
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From:hafren
Date:August 8th, 2011 07:01 am (UTC)
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My doubtless unkind thought is that the sort of people who join in mass looting neither have a use for books themselves nor know anyone they can sell them to. They can't be very bright if they think trashing their own backyard will improve matters.
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From:hano
Date:August 7th, 2011 01:13 pm (UTC)
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Thanks for that, I'll post about this when I get home and have a clearer idea of what's happened. I note that there was practically nothing reported about Wood Green until midday - Twitter was pretty much the only way to find out what was going on.
Right now I'm fucking angry about this. We warned Haringay over and over that their cuts was akin to building a petrol soaked bonfire. Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending the looters, but I'm livid at how totally fucking avoidable all this was. Enough ranting, I'm going to go and drink a lot of White wine and talk politics.
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From:communicator
Date:August 7th, 2011 01:17 pm (UTC)
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August is always the time for rioting. I wonder if there will be more to come.
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From:dalmeny
Date:August 7th, 2011 01:23 pm (UTC)
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Thank you for this. I was hoping for more information from people in the area.

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From:communicator
Date:August 7th, 2011 01:26 pm (UTC)
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The news reporting has been quite poor as far as I can tell
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From:sheenaghpugh
Date:August 7th, 2011 02:36 pm (UTC)
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It doesn't seem to have been sparked by anything to do with the economy though; according to everything I've read it's purely police-related?
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From:communicator
Date:August 7th, 2011 02:44 pm (UTC)
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I don't think that's a meaningful distinction. People under duress are more volatile; people who have no prospect of work have nothing to lose; the politicisation of the police is linked to the economic strategy (as with Thatcher and the miners); when people are denigrated by those in authority then it is easier for authoritarian people to kill or beat them.
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From:matgb
Date:August 7th, 2011 03:20 pm (UTC)
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The specific instance that's kicked it off is police related, but I do agree with Communicator-I've been aware of neglect and incompetence in Haringey on a number of issues for ages, OK, some of it is friends are Cllrs on the opposition benches so it's biased sources, but it's not a good situation. When people're desperate, feel neglected and don't feel like anything they say makes a difference, then the most obvious state authority figures do somethign that's percevied to be a direct attack...

If the same thing happened in a wealthy neighbourhood with high employement levels, I don't expect to see a riot develop.
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From:matgb
Date:August 7th, 2011 03:24 pm (UTC)
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Heh. "nearby" is a relative term, I'm in Yorkshire, and one of my quoted tweets was from Liverpool, but...

My mind boggles, utterly, at how badly some authority types handle things, and how blinkered some people can be.

We disagree on whether cuts of the scale planned are necessary, but I definitely agree they're being handled incredibly badly and being done in a way that makes things worse, almost deliberately provocative. That, to me, is mind numbingly stupid and discredits the entire process.

If what I've heard is true (and so far all the rumours about the girl being hit seem to be coming from one witness phonecall on the BBC so completely unconfirmed), then the stupidy is beyond comprehension.
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From:communicator
Date:August 7th, 2011 03:29 pm (UTC)
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Oh, sorry - I thought you were talking about your local area. Oops. Anyway, still v. interesting.
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From:matgb
Date:August 7th, 2011 03:35 pm (UTC)
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Not me, but many friends live(d) there when I was in London, I knew bits of the area, a very good friend lived just north of there, went to see more than a few films at Wood Green cinema. Posting this I've found more people local than I knew. Soem very interesting comments coming through on the DW version of the post now, it'snot just Hano that's local.

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