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October 14th, 2003

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02:39 pm - rant
There is a high profile case in the UK at the moment which concerns a 17 year old girl. She says that she went to a footbal player's hotel room to have sex with him. She says that seven of his friends came in, she didn't want to have sex with all of them, but five of them forced her to. These allegations have not yet been proved, and I know nothing more about the case than what I say here.

But Barbara Amiel has strong opinions over at the Daily Telegraph.

Any woman crying rape under such factual circumstances would have had to show feeble-mindedness to warrant society’s protection. Going voluntarily up to a stranger’s room for intercourse or its preliminaries, and expecting a man to behave as a light switch that can be turned off at will, may be technically her right, but it is both biologically and logically mad.

Notice, Barbara is saying that if the girl is reporting events accurately, then she was 'mad' to expect protection from rape in such circumstances.

Is there any woman reading this who has not gone voluntarily to someone's room for sexual intercourse? (Maybe not to a stranger's room, but I would guess to someone's room who you don't know that well, perhaps early in a relationship). Are you then 'logically mad' not to expect five other guys to turn up and fuck you against your will?

Is there any women reading this who hasn't ever decided to abbreviate a sexual encounter? Men can always cope with that can't they? I wouldn't call it 'behaving like a light switch' but 'behaving like a sentient being'. Of course action can be 'turned off at will' - that's what 'will' means. Why don't men complain about this kind of characterisation, which paints them as more degraded than animals?

From crooked timber (there are some nutty responses there too).

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Date:October 14th, 2003 05:12 pm (UTC)
holy shit! that whole "light switch" thing... if i were a man, i'd be insulted.

maybe society needs to start belittling men who can't control their sexual urges in much the same way that we belittle men who can't get it up.

"you couldn't bring it down? what kind of a little wuss are you? being bossed around by your penis! ha ha!"

something like that. then maybe it would become uncool to ignore when a date says "no." the kind of guys who claim inability to control their urges are the type who fear ridicule in the locker room far more than jail, after all.


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Date:October 14th, 2003 05:14 pm (UTC)

Notice, Barbara is saying that if the girl is reporting events accurately, then she was 'mad' to expect protection from rape in such circumstances.

I am incoherent with rage at anyone</a> who could say that that girl, in those circumstances, was 'mad'.
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Date:October 14th, 2003 06:18 pm (UTC)
so incoherent that I can't close my tags properly, apparently...

Assume an angle-bracketed [/em] after "anyone", if you wish.
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Date:October 14th, 2003 06:36 pm (UTC)
Ah, the lovely and talented Mrs. Black. "If you didn't want to be tortured and murdered, you wouldn't be out there existing with a vagina."
Date:October 15th, 2003 09:40 am (UTC)

from Plig

Speaking as a man (although I'm sure the same goes for women), I don't recognise such a thing as an uncontrollable sexual urge. The urge comes from wanting something, and is therefore a conscious choice. Each and every moment that you feel the urge to do something, you are continuously making the choice to do it. If you're eating a meal, each mouthful is a conscious choice - you don't give in to some primitive animal urge to eat everything in your fridge just because you popped a cherry tomato in your mouth (much as I'd like to use that excuse from time to time).
Likewise in sex, if the other person changes from being a willing participant to wanting to stop, but you continue as if they hadn't changed, then you have changed from consciously deciding to have sex with a willing partner, to consciously deciding to have sex with an unwilling partner. There's absolutely no shirking that responsibility, and people who try simply have no integrity.
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Date:October 15th, 2003 10:50 am (UTC)

Re: from Plig

Yes, that seems obvious doesn't it? For example it is kind of obvious that sometimes people are going to say 'Ouch, stop for a bit, I've got cramp' or even (hem hem) 'Stop, that's my husband's car pulling up.'. I can't believe there is any person on earth, male or female, who couldn't manage to comply with that kind of request.

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