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09:13 pm - Torchwood
I couldn't sleep last night so I put the TV on. Only at 3am with nothing else to do would I watch the second half of a Torchwood episode (the one about the 1940s plane). Imagine my shock when I realised that, hang on, this is quite good. Quite touching actually. Captain Jack's bad acting is reaching Paul Darrow levels of camp grandeur (this is high praise). The only character I have liked (in the scraps of previous episode I have seen) is Owen. Unlike the others his acting seems to make you complicit in his feelings, almost like shame. I've always thought he seems ugly and obnoxious but quite sexy, and I thought his sex scene in this was erotic and meaningful. In fact I'd just switched the TV on and it was like - yow! this is good.

ETA - I see there is a consensus developing on lj that this was a good ep. I might try and catch some others.

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From:getawaywithit
Date:December 18th, 2006 09:41 pm (UTC)
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I've watched the whole series, but it's defintely improved since the mid-point, IMO, as they seem to have worked out better what works and what doesn't (the same goes for Robin Hood, too). I think you'd like episode 5 (Small Worlds by PJ Hammond), episode 7 (Greeks Bearing Gifts) and episode 9 (Random Shoes) if you get a chance to see them.
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From:communicator
Date:December 18th, 2006 09:58 pm (UTC)
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Thanks for those recs, I will try to catch them. But Robin Hood? Can it have improved?
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From:getawaywithit
Date:December 18th, 2006 10:12 pm (UTC)
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But Robin Hood? Can it have improved?

Well, I think it has - like Torchwood, it has the problem that its lead writer (Dominic Minghella) is also its worst writer, but from around episode 4 the individual episodes get stronger (though there is still a bit of a sense of 'oh look, they're having to break into the castle again') and the main story arc kicks in which gives it a bit of depth. And if nothing else, I'm sure you'd appreciate the numerous scenes involving Richard Armitage (Guy of Gisbourne) prowling around and being angsty in black leather like the bastard child of Travis and Avon...
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From:redstarrobot
Date:December 18th, 2006 10:49 pm (UTC)
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I haven't seen 9 (I've been avoiding it because I actually have yet to see a good review), but, while they've been improving from 5 onward, 8 was the first proper episode of a good version of Torchwood, I thought. The story was paced well and was the first one to use (and characterize) the entire cast well, and was also the first story to function in a way that was based on the original mythos of the show rather than stealing a random SF element of the week, and the first one I didn't have serious reservations about for some basic technical quality of the writing.
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From:communicator
Date:December 19th, 2006 02:47 pm (UTC)
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Is episode 8 the one I saw, one about the aeroplane?
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From:redstarrobot
Date:December 19th, 2006 02:53 pm (UTC)
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No, that's episode 10, one of the ones I haven't seen yet. :)
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From:archbishopm
Date:December 18th, 2006 10:02 pm (UTC)
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Damn, you were one of the ones who said I shouldn't watch it. Traitor!

Paul Darrow levels of camp grandeur

Well now I have to, don't I?
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From:communicator
Date:December 18th, 2006 10:04 pm (UTC)
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it was unbelievably crap for weeks and weeks
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From:archbishopm
Date:December 18th, 2006 10:37 pm (UTC)
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There's something to be said for coming into a show late and catching up on it all in one swell foop. Of course if everyone did that everything would always be cancelled.
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From:communicator
Date:December 19th, 2006 02:45 pm (UTC)
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I was thinking about this today while I was in town, and I don't think John Barrowman has quite achieved Avon-esque teeth grinding and eye popping stature yet, so I may have misled.


BTW there is an advert in this month's Fortean Times for the DVD of a series called 'Out' starring Brian Croucher: have you heard of it?
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From:redstarrobot
Date:December 19th, 2006 02:56 pm (UTC)
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I hadn't, but:

Tom Bell starred in this six-part British miniseries as Frank Ross, a nasty career criminal freshly released from prison. Hardly the better for his experience, Ross was consumed with the desire to get even with the person responsible for his incarceration. The "hero" was surrounded by such equally odious characters as his unhinged wife Anne (Lynn Farleigh) and his lowlife buddies Chris (Brian Croucher) and Ralph (John Junkin). Out was broadcast by Thames Television from July 24 to August 28, 1978. ~ Hal Erickson, All Movie Guide
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From:archbishopm
Date:December 19th, 2006 04:22 pm (UTC)
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*IMDbees it*

OMG and it stars Tom Bell, best known to me from cult(of one) fave "The Last Minute" (and who apparently died this October). In short I must acquire this DVD.
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From:espresso_addict
Date:December 19th, 2006 12:12 am (UTC)
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It looks like I might have bailed on TW at just the wrong moment. Sigh. I think I'll wait for the DVD...
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From:kalypso_v
Date:December 19th, 2006 02:49 am (UTC)
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This was a good episode wrecked by intrusive music, which began to swell every time any character felt any emotion. By the end, I was screaming "Make it stop!" I felt so angry on behalf of the actors, some of whom were working their socks off, but evidently weren't trusted to do the job themselves.
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From:espresso_addict
Date:December 19th, 2006 03:21 am (UTC)
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Horribly intrusive music does seem to be the hallmark of recent television. I was watching Driving Lessons the other night (the Rupert Grint vehicle) and we kept having to turn the volume down to render the soupy pop montage stuff remotely bearable.
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From:kalypso_v
Date:December 19th, 2006 03:29 am (UTC)
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I remember somebody telling me the technology for separating different elements of a soundtrack was very simple (presumably so, since the soundtrack consists of those elements stuck together?), so I wish they'd hurry up and offer it on DVDs. It wouldn't just be for people like me who hate emotional scenes to be drowned in syrupy music; it would improve programmes for people like my mother, whose hearing has deteriorated to the point where any background music makes it very difficult to pick up the dialogue.
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From:espresso_addict
Date:December 19th, 2006 03:33 am (UTC)
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And those like me & Mr EA with hearing falling within the normal range but who still find it hard to distinguish words over music. (To be fair to Driving Lessons, much of the really awful music was in montage mode, with no dialogue.)
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From:communicator
Date:December 19th, 2006 02:55 pm (UTC)
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Music doesn't bother me on the whole, though I see your point. I generally have subtitles on anyway, so perhaps I have the general sound level fairly low. Though also I suspect that people such as you and espresso_addict are more sensitive than I am to sensory stimuli, which is why you are more controlled and precise than me.
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From:espresso_addict
Date:December 19th, 2006 07:16 pm (UTC)
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Trying to work out whether this is a compliment or an insult ;)
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From:altariel
Date:December 19th, 2006 08:18 am (UTC)
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Yes, this week's episode was a cut above most of what we've had so far. Last week's ('Random Shoes') wasn't bad either.
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From:communicator
Date:December 19th, 2006 02:55 pm (UTC)
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Not quite enough good episode to make it worth, for instance, buying the DVD, but I might try to keep an eye on it now.
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From:altariel
Date:December 19th, 2006 03:28 pm (UTC)
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It's been steadily improving, so I'm hoping the rest of the season will carry on this way. And it seems to be on semi-permanent repeat, so no need to buy the DVDs at all.
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From:redstarrobot
Date:December 19th, 2006 02:57 pm (UTC)
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Huh, maybe I'll have to give last week's a shot, now that people are coming out of the woodwork to say it was okay. The descriptions I was hearing just didn't appeal, and I've been struggling with Torchwood a bit.
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From:kalypso_v
Date:December 19th, 2006 04:34 pm (UTC)
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I thought last week was very dull, but this one was OK apart from the overdoing of the music. (I know altariel liked the DW episode on the same lines as last week's, so it's less surprising that she liked that as well.)
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From:redstarrobot
Date:December 19th, 2006 04:39 pm (UTC)
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Well, yes, it's just that I heard it was the less-good version of that DW episode, which sounds like a bad thing. :) (And also that it comes to bear some resemblance to a certain Demi Moore vehicle that I didn't think was very good...)
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From:redstarrobot
Date:December 19th, 2006 04:41 pm (UTC)
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Your new default icon is worrying. I suppose at least there's not mistletoe hanging from his crotch, which is a distinct possibility with most Bonds.
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From:communicator
Date:December 20th, 2006 11:47 am (UTC)
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there's an idea... not sure I have the art skills to pull it off (fnar)

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