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April 8th, 2005


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10:59 am - Culture of life, culture of death
Warren Jeffs predicted the world would come to an end last Wednesday. It didn't. I thought it was quite funny. My fortean list is all over it. Metafilter have a thread on the subject.

Then I followed the links. This livejournal post is about Jeffs' community. It's bad stuff, which I have mentioned before on this blog, I just forgot his name.

What it boils down to this this - they practise polygamy (EDITED to clarify - in fact polygyny, men have multiple wives, women have one husband). Children are home-schooled and have no contact with the world outside the cult. When girl children reach a 'suitable' age (like 13) they are married off to the old guys who run the cult. Teenage boys are surplus to requirements, some are sent away, and live homeless in places like Los Angeles. it is possible that some have 'accidents'.

Quote from that livejournal post (linked above)

One disturbing thing which I hadn't come across in my readings before, but which
has apparently come to light in the last year, is the existance of the
"Babyland" graveyard. Here are the quick statistics on
it: 425 graves, 6 entirely unmarked child graves, 227 child
graves all together for a total of 53% children under 10, A high number of
children suffering from strange accidents. A disproportionate number of children
"run over". A number of children who have just
"disappeared". The death rate is particularly high among boy children, ages
11-20.


From across an ocean I can't comment on the plausibility of this. There is a news report from New Zealand about the child graveyard here, and an (admittedly one-sided) letter to the FBI with allegations about the deaths here.

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From:cdybedahl
Date:April 8th, 2005 03:18 am (UTC)
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Could you clarify where and how the polygamy comes into it? You make it sound as if that is the problem, but I fail to see any clear connection between that and the abuse and possible murder of children.

Or, differently put, I can't for a moment believe that you'd think the stuff about the kids would be anywhere near acceptable if only the setup was monogamous.
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From:communicator
Date:April 8th, 2005 03:28 am (UTC)
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I recollect you are polyamorous Calle, which means I need to clarify. A more precise word for what is going on here is polygyny, and an extreme version at that, which means that a small number of men in the community have dozens of wives and all women have only one husband. The ex-mormon post I cited links to further allegation, such as girls beaten and imprisoned until they go along with the arrangements. Nothing like the sexually equal and non-coercive arrangements you favour.
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From:communicator
Date:April 8th, 2005 03:30 am (UTC)
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And to clarify, of course rape and murder are evil under any and all circumstances, but the need to separate young girls from young boys, so that the older men can have multiple wives is the immediate cause (it is alleged) of the violence and killing.
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From:hafren
Date:April 8th, 2005 04:08 am (UTC)
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As for home schooling, it sends shivers down my spine. No doubt some do it for reasons they think "good", though personally I think it amounts to social cruelty. But it's also such a good cover for abuse; many times, abuse is uncovered by teachers or because a child who normally goes to school is kept away and alarm bells ring - I know in some high-profile cases they don't, but you never hear about the many where abuse is picked up as it should be.
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From:communicator
Date:April 8th, 2005 04:14 am (UTC)
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Yes, I think there are two strands of home schooling, one benign and one malign. The latter is (I think) more common in the USA because of isolation of entire communities in vast (to us) open spaces.
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From:communicator
Date:April 8th, 2005 06:16 am (UTC)
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Yes, I have met people who use that type of open non-schooling. I am symmpthetic, as my son (INFP I think, like yourself) finds mainstream education quite unpleasant. I think in the hands of a committed and open-minded parent it can be a good thing.
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From:communicator
Date:April 8th, 2005 06:17 am (UTC)
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symmpthetic

You were talking about deleting and retyping maia - in my case my typing is so bad I'd have to delete every single thing I ever post. I just close my eyes to it now.
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From:communicator
Date:April 8th, 2005 04:15 pm (UTC)
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I can't give a good answer to that. In fact that's a very hard question indeed. I think I was a difficult child, and what I mostly wanted was freedom. And that's one thing that children can't have. Praise, freedom, satisfaction for curiosity, outlets for my energy. Your question has made me think, but I don't have any good answers.
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From:communicator
Date:April 8th, 2005 04:16 pm (UTC)
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I love 'I have idea' as an ENTP phrase. I used to write plays and make the other children perform in them - horrendous child that I was :-)

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