November 26th, 2010
|07:56 am - New SF telly|
I am thinking, what SF has there been on the telly this year? The main examples I can think of, new on TV this year, are Doctor Who and Misfits. It's thin pickings for British telly. American SF shows that have been on over here - Walking Dead, Flashforward, the last season of Lost and the remake of V. Oh yes, Heroes just petered out during 2010.
Other people have mentioned Fringe, Eureka and Warehouse 13, none of which I have seen: Warehouse 13 is on one of the freeview channels, but I don't think the other two are?
ETA - Caprica. Heard only bad things. Oh, and the new Stargate with Robert Carlyle - the second season has just started airing I think? I'm surprised I don't hear more about this, but I think Stargate may be a little universe all of itself.
And ETA - The Event. I watched one episode, and despite some slightly camp girl violence it didn't really grab me.
Yeah, I have Walking Dead (last episode totally made up for the one before) and, um, a sitcom about people who sometimes watch S
Heroes just petered out
Didn't it just though. "I hate carnivals." "Yeah me too." "Fuck this shit." /cut forever
I watched two episodes of Walking dead back to back this week, because of being away. Yes, it's genuinely exciting, and great to see an SF show with proper casting and writing and direction. I still can't get on with the gender politics, but then I am a miserable git.
Big Bang. I just assumed it was pathetically awful until I saw your recent enthusiasm. I thought it was 'Girls are pretty, boys are smart' or something, probably based on the TV trailers.
It kinda starts out that way - but then has smart girls too, and the boys being not smart. It occasionally drops into cliches a little too easily, but is very, very funny when it's on its game.
I'd give Caprica a go. I enjoyed the first few episodes, and Julie's a rampant addict.
I've found Caprica very frustrating on certain points, very interesting on others, but I've really been enjoying the last few episodes and I think it's going to end on a high note (or at least I hope so). Right now it's on its way to becoming my favorite SF show of 2010, which naturally means that it's been cancelled.
The new Stargate, on the other hand, is dreadful.
|Date:||November 26th, 2010 09:01 am (UTC)|| |
I'll add my vote for The Big Bang Theory. It annoyed me at first with the assumption that girls aren't fannish and just don't get SF (though there's a physicist and later a biologist) but--it's just so very funny and clever. I love it. I's my current highlight of the week.
I need to make some TBBT icons.
You may enjoy SGU. It's not like the other Stargate series; it's very dark (in plot and set), bleak, and cynical, so very much the sort of thing you'd like.
I find SGU to be considerably more entertaining than I found Atlantis to be. I wouldn't call it good, exactly, but that goes for all three Stargate series.
In a way, SGU is BSG Lite.
|Date:||November 26th, 2010 08:23 pm (UTC)|| |
It is! I could do with more SF though.
You and archbishopm - I think I am going to have to give it a go
|Date:||November 26th, 2010 09:15 pm (UTC)|| |
Excellent! I hope you like it.
girls aren't fannish and just don't get SF
This is why all sitcoms made after I become space pope will be set in a universe in which there is only one gender. 'Cause I have no problem identifying with Trek-watchin' WOW-playin' characters whatever their intimate bits might be, until they inbloodyevitably start squawking about how strange and evil and terrifying women are.
(I mean, I know I personally am strange evil and terrifying but they shouldn't generalize)
|Date:||November 26th, 2010 09:13 pm (UTC)|| |
Same. Not even Sheldon's "girlfrend" seems to like SF or games. I had hopes for Lesley Winkler early on but she has Sheldon's intelligence and snark without the fun.
And roll on that day! I had good reason for pretending to be a boy when I was a kid; they had the fun. All the original stories I write in my head have people filling any role regardless of gender.
I have to say again, I love your Gorn-in-Sheldon's-spot icon.
And roll on that day!
So I have your Space-Pope vote?
I love your Gorn-in-Sheldon's-spot icon
The Gorn magazine is what elevated that bit to awesome.
|Date:||November 26th, 2010 10:18 pm (UTC)|| |
Yes! You have my vote, as long as there's no Catholicism and expecting people to breed and overpopulate space.
Absolutely! And Sheldon's reaction.
Caprica seems to align itself in my head with The Sarah Connor Chronicles and Dollhouse as examples of recent sf TV that aspires to be conceptually ambitious, character-led, and socially grounded. It's better than Dollhouse, not as good as Sarah Connor.
|Date:||November 26th, 2010 10:01 am (UTC)|| |
The Stargate Universe is pretty good - or at least the first season was. We lost track due to odd scheduling.
seems to me to be failing for the following reasons, all of which are things I've picked up on and may be wrong:
Much grimmer and more cynical mood than earlier shows in the universe - see abigail_n
's blog post about how it seems to her to be stealing surface mood elements from BSG without actually being any good.
Many of the fans of previous Stargare shows are upset because the makers of the new show openly said that Stargate Atlantis was cancelled because not enough young men were watching and that SGU would be pitched to them. Also there was a recent row when a producer said lots of nasty things about fans of earlier SG shows who weren't watching the new one.
Bad political reputation before it even aired because of a promoted multiple-isms-fail plotline about a disabled woman using a non-disabled woman's body so that she could have decent sex for the first time in her poor pathetic life.Edited at 2010-11-26 10:10 am (UTC)
OTOH, I don't remember there being a single comment once they actually aired said episode, all the furor were various fans deciding in advance it was going to be horrible. In reality, there was no sex (although I think there was a kiss). As far as I could tell, the whole thing was handled quite well. As their handling of the main-character lesbian has been.
Considering the huge differences between the original, leaked episode description - whole scenes are missing or rewritten, and the disabled character spouts some of the talking points raised in the fracas after the leak - I think it's safe to assume that the episode was heavily reworked as a response to the furor. On the other hand, one of the main objections raised to the episode was that the disabled character wanted to have sex while in someone else's body without getting that person's permission, and though in the actual episode she doesn't go through with it, in an earlier story one of the male characters visited Earth in another man's body and had sex with his wife, and no one - including the man whose body he used - seemed to have any problem with this.
On the lesbian character, I would agree that her lesbian-ness is reasonably well handled, but the character herself is so thoroughly underused that it's unclear to me why she's even in the main cast.
I've enjoyed to different degrees all the Stargate manifestations, but they have suffered with a high percentage of truly awful episodes that have overshadowed somewhat a lot of the good stuff. Stargate Universe, on the other hand, seems to have maintained a consistency that the other Stargates series couldn't manage. It is also an arc storyline, which I like, rather than being totally episodic, which much of SG-1 and Atlantis were.
|Date:||November 26th, 2010 08:36 pm (UTC)|| |
I just posted somewhere else that, with its fucking, swearing, violence, and drugs, and class-, sex- and race issues, mixed up with telepathy and shape-changing, all restricted to one region of the country, it occurs to me that the American TV series that most resembles Misfits is not Heroes, but True Blood.
I assume that while Misfits is SF, True Blood is fantasy? What a difference a Marvel-style origin makes :-)
Never watched Misfits. I thought Heroes lost its way a bit recovered in the last series and it was a shame it was cancelled just when it was finding its feet again. I love True Blood.
The Deep had its flaws, but I quite liked it.