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06:41 pm - Wittering on about telly
I've just been talking to kalypso_v about Sherlock. There's a nice sexy video using the True Blood theme here - a bit too much talky-face but as k says, there isn't that much footage available yet.

I will be interested to see whether the next season of Sherlock shows any Breaking Bad influence. I'm not predicting it certainly will, but I'll be looking out for it. A key sign will be if John gets beaten up and Sherlock goes nuts to revenge him. However John's a lot less vulnerable than Jesse, so even if they borrow some ideas, it won't be the same dynamic between the two leads (good but different is what I'm saying).

The next season of Breaking Bad doesn't start until July 2011, which is ages. They aren't going to risk repeating the make-it-up-as-we-go-along strategy of Season 3, so the whole thing is being plotted out right now. (ETA - sending psychic commands over to Albuquerque right now).

Viewing the last season again, I think the first six episodes are wasted, and then when they got the pieces in place in Episode 7 it just went bam through the ceiling. I know from interviews with Vince Gilligan that he noticed this. So he obviously wants to avoid any slack this time. Though I wonder whether part of the excitement of the last season was generated by that gonzo approach, where it did partly go wrong, and forced them into the make-or-break of the last few episodes.

The three seasons have been developed in three different ways. The first was planned in advance to end with Jesse's death and then plans were changed on the fly. Season 2 was delivered to plan, and as I say in S3 they kind of winged it.

An issue is that they know now that the Walt/Jesse dynamic mustn't be messed up, but that pushes them into a difficult corner about how to develop it any further. Aaron and Bryan are obviously playing it up, just like John Simm and Philip G did around Life on Mars. This is a very similar emmy publicity shot to this bafta photo. It will be very interesting so see what happens next.

As far as Mad Men goes, I am interested to see how episode 11 of 13 goes tonight. I am concerned that the current season is almost delivering final verdicts on people's life stories, and the dreaminess and uncertainty that everyone felt in the early sixties is resolving into much sharper lines and articulated moral issues of the Vietnam era. There hasn't been much exploration of what creativity is this season, and there's been too much teasing about who Draper will settle down with (yawn). I hope they - true to form - anticipate and reply to this thought.

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From:squonkfan
Date:October 3rd, 2010 08:25 pm (UTC)
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I h-had not seen that picture.

I think I had more to say about this post, but I'm sort of stopped in my tracks at the moment. I'll come back to it.
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From:communicator
Date:October 3rd, 2010 09:17 pm (UTC)
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I know, they have been giving up some real treats lately.
From:readishmael
Date:October 3rd, 2010 10:30 pm (UTC)
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OMG, that picture.

For the record, I'm pretty sure the Justin Timberlake thing was something Bryan said as a joke sometime during season two or three in order to screw with Aaron, who has been, since learning of Vince's original plan, continually anxious about Jesse's lifespan.
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From:communicator
Date:October 3rd, 2010 10:32 pm (UTC)
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Yes. Actually I will change that because since I typed it, I did a bit of reading round and yes, I made a mistake. I'll edit it out. They were going to end S1 with Jesse OD'ing though I think that's true?
From:readishmael
Date:October 3rd, 2010 10:57 pm (UTC)
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I've heard it two ways, actually: either he was going to OD, or he was going to be brutally killed in a drug deal gone horribly wrong. I've heard the second one more often, but both versions of the story are out there.
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From:squonkfan
Date:October 6th, 2010 08:19 am (UTC)
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I think the latter version is what Vince has said most recently.
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From:communicator
Date:October 6th, 2010 09:20 am (UTC)
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'Brutally killed' would have been emotionally harder and more true
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From:squonkfan
Date:October 6th, 2010 08:56 am (UTC)
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I've definitely seen actors mess around gleefully with the character dynamic in publicity photos, but I actually don't think that's the case with Bryan and Aaron. Since the second year you'd be hard pressed to find a picture of them where they don't have their arms around each other, and they're just as outrageously cuddly in some of the Emmy candids as they are in this shot. I get the impression that they're just genuinely kind of in love with each other the way you see with male actors sometimes--and Aaron toward Bryan especially, that young actor/older experienced actor thing. (Plus Aaron is a Labrador retreiver in human form.) This is not to say they couldn't be playing up Walt/Jesse at the same time, but I really don't think so; I doubt they're thinking of the characters at all. It just seems to be the way they honestly are around each other.

I was talking to some other people about the possibility of canon Walt/Jesse. We were saying that aside from the fact that the show would have to overcome some serious heteronormativity in terms of its own storytelling, there's a major double standard here in terms of what you can depict of heterosexual relationships and what you can depict of homosexual ones on TV under a given rating. AMC isn't a premium channel like HBO, so they can't really push things quite as far. They do tend to try to leave their showrunners alone, but they've also had them tone down some of the language and sex even from the first season so that they could keep it at TV-14. I am not at all sure they or Sony would go for Walt/Jesse. I also have a sense that it's not really where Vince's head is at in terms of that relationship, though I don't have any hard evidence for that per se. It would be amazing if I were wrong, of course, but it seems unlikely to me.
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From:communicator
Date:October 6th, 2010 09:19 am (UTC)
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I am very inhibited about talking about the relations between real actors. I think that there is a lot of mistaken projection by fans of their own feelings, or their feelings about the characters, on to the real life guys who play them on TV. But I must confess that I agree with the things you have written in that first paragraph. I am just massively inhibited about it, and so I talk around it. I hope this makes sense: your candid comments are making me open up a little more.

On your second paragraph, about where this relationship will go in the show. I probably think it is closer to the surface for the actors and the creators of the show than you think - but of course I could be wrong. I am again aware that I might be projecting. On the impossibility of it happening in the current cultural climate - yes, I suppose you are right.

I wish there were enough people interested in these things that we could set up some sort of shippy community to discuss 'em.
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From:squonkfan
Date:October 9th, 2010 05:28 am (UTC)
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I completely understand your inhibitions and share them to an extent. I tend to be very sensitive to what I'm saying where (though admittedly I care more in some moments than others). Aside from just being embarrassed to feel like and/or be seen as a tinhat, I also don't wish to say anything that could come up in someone's google search, be messed around with, and cause hurt. I don't imagine I have a lot of influence over anybody; I just imagine that the internet can be a weird, fucked-up place and it's probably best not to lose sight of that. There is a line I try not to cross too often in public posts, even if I'm just being silly. If my fannish proclivities make tinhattery inevitable, I will mostly engage in it under flock.

Having said that, I don't think there's anything in my characterization of Bryan and Aaron's relationship above that's not okay to be talking about openly, or that is too wildly speculative. They make the way they feel about each other pretty public. I agree with you though that there are plenty of other cases where things are goofily extrapolated from what happens onscreen, and that can be cringe-inducing. Here it's the opposite at least in certain respects, actually, since Walt and Jesse are so dark and Bryan and Aaron are so sweet!

I probably think it is closer to the surface for the actors and the creators of the show than you think - but of course I could be wrong.

I could be as well. But I do think we're pretty much screwed by the politics of it.

I wish there were enough people interested in these things that we could set up some sort of shippy community to discuss 'em.

To discuss Walt/Jesse, you mean?
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From:communicator
Date:October 9th, 2010 07:07 pm (UTC)
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Because I don't engage with fandom that much, I didn't even realise there was a word for it. Tinhatting - right. That's precisely what I'm wary of doing.

I agree there's nothing here we shouldn't discuss, or would embarrass anyone to read.

Yes, I was thinking of a BB slash list, but I honestly don't think there are enough people to sustain it (yet?)

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